![]() It is located near the Inland sea of helcar (actually, near its Eastern bank). Lake Cuivenien This lake is the awakening place of the Elves. Here is the general order from Northernmost (top) to southernmost (bottom):Īnd all around of this flat world was the doors of night. It is Protected by the iron mountains, and the Isle of Almaren is South of Utumno, in the Great Lake. Compared to ormal, it was still North of Ormal, just farther away compared to its relativeness to Illuin. Location utumno, also known as Udun, was directly north of the great lamp Illuin, which it was closer to compared to the Great lamp Ormal. As the crow flies (a straight line) it is approximately 26-2800 miles from Aman. It is approximately 415-425 miles South-west from the Firth of Drengist (a Firth is a wide inlet of the sea). Directly to the north of Angband were the Ered Engrin (The Iron Mountains), and Dor Daidelos (the Regions of Everlasting cold). It is approximately 130-140 miles North-west of Thangorodrim. Location Angband is located in the Lands North of Beleriand. I will give a detailed description of the location pf each place. Those are what you want to know the location of. First realm of the Valar (before Valinor) Lake Cuivienen (birthplace of the elves)ĥ. We don't have much info about it, anyway, and Fonstad relied solely on the Professor's work when she was making it (but where he was not clear about something, she might have interpreted it in her view).ģ. I'm not much sure about it being 100% reliable, but I think it will be more or less precise. She draws there the sea of Helcar, which, interestingly, is flooding Mordor and then all the space through Dagorlad to lake Rhun, and then further to the east as far as Cuiviénen. I'm not much sure about this one, but Fonstad in her atlas puts it about the same latitude as lake Rhun, but more to the east, as if you took the distance from Misty Mountains to Lake Rhun and multiplied it twice. Maybe the original island matched even the place of later Númenor?Īnd Cuiviénen. I guess if you sought for the place using geographic coordinates, you'll find the places matching some spot between M-E and Valinor (somewhere in the sea). You simply had the world, where the only sea was in the midst, on the northern edge there was one lamp, soutwards the other, and in its middle there was the island where Valar dwelt. At the time of the Lamps, when the first realm of Valar was on the island of Almaren, Arda looked completely different than after, because the wars between Valar&Morgoth even before the coming of the Elves completely changed its face. The last three are a problem, since they are all situated to the same environment (more or less, Cuiviénen is maybe a little bit better, but the two others are quite a big problem). In that case Utumno lies practically on the pole (or, on the edge of the world) and Angband is in the southmost part of the mountains, somewhat more to the west than Utumno. In the Atlas of Middle-Earth by Karen Wynn Fonstad (quite a good tool, and I consider it quite trustworthy) Ered Engrin are pictured like some sort of circumpolar-oriented mountains (of course Middle-Earth was flat back then, so it's just half a circle). Behind the walls of Ered Engrin in the west, where they bent back northwards, Melkor built another fortress ![]() In the north of the world Melkor had in the ages past reared Ered Engrin, the Iron Mountains, as a fence to his citadel of Utumno and they stood upon the borders of the regions of everlasting cold, in a great curve from east to west. You can measure it for yourself :)Ĭoncerning Utumno, it is probably somewhere "around" (but the distance can be quite great), maybe a little bit more to the north and definitely further to the east. That's probably the closest description we have. ![]() In the Silmarillion, we are told that:īut Morgoth, as has before been told, returned to Angband, and built it anew, and above its doors he reared the reeking towers of Thangorodrim and the gates of Morgoth were but one hundred and fifty leagues distant from the bridge of Menegroth: far and yet all too near. Hopefully someone else can make the information more precise.Īngband is just outside the map in Silmarillion, I guess about the same longitude as the long vertical line is (maybe a little bit to the east. that's a little bit complicated, but I'll try to answer as best as I can.
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